For example: When the King James translators rendered Acts 2:47 with the words, "such as should be saved," they ignored the Greek present tense form, "are being saved." Compares the 1550 Stephanus Textus Receptus with the King James Bible. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524. re 17. Then that history was erased, and replaced with the gosple account agreeable to the era? Also, in Matthew 6:13, Codex Sinaiticus ends the Lords Prayer with the phrase but deliver us from [the] evil [one] (which is omitted above), but the doxology (for thine is the kingdom) is absent. Subsequent scholarship has generally rejected the notion of a Neutral text but (still has Ed) sustained the rejection of the Syrian text. -( source http://www.revisedstandard.net/text/WNP/id_3.html) (Ed is my remark to clarify). Also, Luke 9:55-56 are not completely absent in Codex Sinaiticus. If we speak of provenance in an art museum, we know where the picture has been since it was painted by the artist. This is old news for many. You cant get any plalner than that. personnaly have seen evangelists using NIV Codex Sinaiticus based bibles and in front of my eyes not but 3 different times this verse fulfilled. Hardly. Byzantine texts tend to be longer. The pages are made of vellum, and it is hand-written. -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus.. The KJV is actually a revision of an earlier translation; The Bishops Bible published in 1568. The All-Access membership pass is the way to get to know the Bible through biblical archaeology. The argument made is that because they are believed to be physically the oldest, they must represent the fewest changes from the originals. It was found in the Cairo environs with evidence of origin in the 4th or 5th century, right around the time of Athanasius but l wont jump to any conclusions. It's worth noting that Codex Sinaiticus is far longer than 130 pages. Andrew says on 27 May 2016. But they as a group had heard Jesus Himself. Hooray for the proponents of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. The world of the Bible is knowable. The textus receptus was essentially a slogan used by the distributors of the KJV after it was error corrected and reprinted on the printing press. Amen (Matthew 6:13). In Jesus Name. The term of years of Satans power has been fulfilled, but other The Textus Receptus was compiled and edited by Erasmus in the 16th century. I suggest you read the Gospels with an open mind, and simply ask God, if he exists, to reveal himself to you. Who is the envisioned recipient of this article? What have you got to lose? God has stated in Deuteronomy, in Proverbs and in Revelation that anyone who adds to or subtracts from Gods word will be held accountable. Please site such evidence if it exists. Each will find their own way. UnSpun 207 - Steve Jones: "The King James Bible vs. Codex Sinaiticus" . Amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. Tyndale? Hopefully their path will lead to righteousness worthy of Almighty Gods approval. Interesting article.and interesting comments. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Dr. Alan Kurschner, December 12, 2013 August 23, 2018, . Mark and John: A Wedding at CanaWhose and Where? The Greek text obtained by using these sources and the related papyri (our most ancient manuscripts . -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus. There are likely missing portions on the Codex because they added to the current texts in order to push their dogma and make it more palatable to those they wished to convert. But the rest of scripture gives this doxology in many other areas. If somebody takes one of those dollar coins, it still looks like a lot money and I almost have a million dollars. Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea at the time of Jesus Christs death. The following represent scribal corrections: * - original text of Codex . We rember what we want, what seemed imoortant to us, but mostly just very general ideas. The Sinaitic Syriac is considered one of the most important Biblical manuscripts discovered, right along with such Greek manuscripts as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. Just wish the world would realize that all organized religions are made up by mankind. Would appreciate knowing what is considered to be the oldest versions of the OT and NT. Latin Witnesses of Revelation May Be More Accurate. In other words what we have today is an incomplete Bible. It originally" consisted in all probability of a complete copy of the "Septuagint and of the New Testament. Example of special revelation. Taken as a whole the dates and breath of manuscripts give a clear reliable picture of the gospel that Christians hold to. The Forging of Codex Sinaiticus by Bill Cooper "Next only to the King James Bible, Codex Sinaiticus is by now perhaps the most famous (many would say infamous) book in the world. The Sinaitic Syriac does not have this long conclusion either, adding further evidence that the long conclusion is a later addition and was not originally part of Marks Gospel. Consider another example. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Include important events mentioned in the text that occur before the action of the play begins. Its simple as that folks. How come these two were preserved when many thousands of others were not? Thank you for pointing out these issues. And presto, what do we have today? Denominations and denominationalism are two different things that are not based on the integrity of the New Testament record. Blessings to you! It appears in the Greek Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century, the Latin Vulgate, and elsewhere. Back in 2008, a BBC report by Roger Bolton spread the erroneous claim that Codex Sinaiticus read angry in Mark 1:41 and Bolton also described the verse as part of an encounter between Jesus and a blind man, instead of a leper. You know perfectly well that the omission of these texts in no way theologically threatens any Biblical doctrine. Each issue of Biblical Archaeology Review features lavishly illustrated and easy-to-understand articles such as: Fascinating finds from the Hebrew Bible and New Testament periods, The latest scholarship by the world's greatest archaeologists and distinguished scholars, Stunning color photographs, informative maps, and diagrams, Reviews of the latest books on biblical archaeology, 45+ years of Biblical Archaeology Review, 20+ years of Bible Review online, providing critical interpretations of biblical texts. Ive now forgotten where and cannot find it. I found the many negatives, outweigh the few positives.I forced myself to face the truth of this, grew up and have been happy not to look back. Keep studying, kids! And why do we humans who take such pride in our organizational and community identities save in one kind of organization or community seem to save their harshest rebukes for each other for that matter, in this case Protestants against Catholics and vice versa? The Sinaiticus (Aleph) and Vaticanus (B) disagree with each other in hundreds of places. The photographs of the book's . In the end days, knowledge shall increase. If this were true, the absence of resurrection in Mark would not be a problem because it appears in the older Matthean gospel. . But the fact remains I do not have a million dollars. The greater danger is not so much whether a version states such things AT ALL, but how many times the total testimony is weakened. Both are included in the Sinaiticus. Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. Then at the last, they show one instance when the Codex referred to the Son of God and said it is an addition, not original. Stop using your cults limited understanding of morality, spirituality and limited understanding of the universe.as a template for how you should think believe. See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus and New Testament Fragments. Does this brief article represent the quality of work that is typical of the BAR staff? How does it compare to the MSS? Mark 1.41 MISTAKE. Robert Estienne 1550 Theodore Beza 1598 Elzevir 1624 Scrivener 1894 . The book, Scribes and Correctors of Codex Sinaiticus by H.J.M. Some of them like the Codex have missing pieces, but nothing here significantly alters the Christian gospel. Where can we find proof of the existence of God? (HINT: The Catholics would burn one at the stake for even possessing a Bible copy back in the day). The Codex Alexandrinus is certainly one of the oldest Bibles in history. But again, there's like 14,000 differences between the Bible King James Bible that we read today and the Book of Sinai, which I believe was actually found in Syria. These few differences between ancient codices dont call into question any doctrine of Christianity. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of . Codex Sinaiticus says that Jesus was moved with compassion in Mark 1:41. the others are Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. And for those who have sinned I was Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and Coptic translations. I am still looking into this. Theres accountability to the record. Thus in 1100 years there was only one transmission process. And then when I read a modern version of the Bible (derived from the Westcott and Hort revisions) I never experience this power or anything like it at all??? Steve, you have the DNA of GOD in you. Problem #4: Languages. angels of heaven, nor the Son, but. But also, Maurice A. Robinson can show, there are a few Byzantine texts at the time of Alexandrian texts. Codex Sinaiticus is one of the oldest manuscripts. Codex Sinaiticus, one of the most important early manuscripts of the New Testament, is over-rated.Even though it is often heralded as "The World's Oldest Bible," having been produced in the mid-300's, its text is so riddled with scribal errors that many much younger manuscripts can be shown to be more accurate - whether one uses the Byzantine Text, or the primarily Alexandrian Nestle . But in the standard Syriac text, Mark 16:9-20 is included. Secondly, you believe that Bible transmission/translation is totally the work of men and that God was not involved in directing any copyists or translators. Bro. I am mainly interested in all the verses that were not in the oldest manuscripts. Neither the original hand nor any corrector afterward in Codex Sinaiticus has the wording that Jesus was angry in Mark 1:41. Unlike the KJV. God Bless. Galatians 4:6. For those who wish to expand their knowledge of Bible versions and what is missing, and more importantly why, I suggest you watch the attached Walter Veith videos on youtube as a starting point. Whatever happened to the mummy mask discovered in Egypt with the book of Mark used for making the mask? Washingtonicus and one of its principle claims to fame is its particular addition to the last chapter. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. There are over 5,800 hand written New Testament manuscripts on record which predate the Guttenburg press. Modern scholarship generally holds that Mark is in fact the oldest of the Synoptic Gospels, which could cause theological concerns over the omitted resurrection. If not, then the art critics interpretation is, From a Byzantine priority (Traditional Christian Church Textus Receptus reading) perspective, the Washingtonianus manuscript and the other early Alexandrian Uncials testify in favor of the early and consistent underlying text found within the Majority of Greek New Testament manuscripts. terrible things draw near. This is history. The Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scrolls. FREE ebook: The Holy Bible: A Buyer's Guide 42 different Bible versions, addressing content, text, style and religious orientation. Such a production line was slow and laborious and costly. Have a look at Proverbs 30:4 contends that Tischendorf should be considered a hero, not a thief, Tischendorf on Trial for Removing Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament.. He had on a previous visit in 1844 obtained "forty-three . Thank you. That is how the system works. Just a thought, but if the Sinai Bible was a fourth century record of the New Testament, and the modern canon came about under Athanasius at around 390AD, then doesnt it suggest that a lot of our modern Bible was filled in by the likes of Athanasius late in the fourth century, just before the text was canonized. I prefer to accept the word of God by faith, the same way we attain salvation. Would the pressure they would have certainly applied to any revision process underway be made to uplift and promote the Bible OR to denounce and reduce the Bibles Power??? Did James Tabor help write it? It and the Codex Sinaiticus are the two oldest uncial manuscripts. Sinaiticus has moved with compassion, splanchnistheis in Greek, and not angry as you write. The Chris Pinto vs. James White debate on whether Codex Sinaiticus is a modern forgery can be boiled down to a few considerations. Christians believe absolute truth does exist. My mistake 2 Cor 13:14 is in the CS. Codex Sinaiticus (AD 330-60), Matthew 5:22-6:4 Codex Sinaiticus, Matthew 6:4-32 Codex Sinaiticus, Matthew 6:32-7:27 See also. I read it for the prose. One such scholar is Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University in the United States. Access to 50+ curated Special Collections. Home Blog Debate Audio - James White vs. Chris Pinto: Is Codex Sinaiticus a Modern Forgery? Over 5,800 New Testament manuscripts have been classified into four groups by text type. The First English bible translated from Greek (not Latin) manuscripts was the Tyndale Bible (1525). GREEN, SOVEREIGN GRACE TRUST FUND. Even back then there was an undue political influence and the personal interests of committee members affected the outcome Much modern textual scholarship will be undermined and further investigations into the motives of the people involved will be needed. Want to check this next time you are with friends, turn on a tape recorder, not tell others you have done so. Of course I dont want to seem to imply that such inability to feel empathy is limited to Christians, Far from it. Kevin, thanks for this insight, Skeat (London: British Museum, 1938) is only about theories about "scribes and correctors." It is not a printing of the Codex Sinaiticus, which wasn't made fully public until was placed online in 2009. does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand Unbelievable! What is his assessment? Everyones complaining yet the letter, sent from Juda to his apostles, in jerusalem warning of people corrupting the words of jesus clearly names jesus as a servant of god rather than the son of god if they were gods first companions why didnt they state so i mean jesus should have told them at from the beginning quite EXPLICITLY! So is the conclusion of the Lords Prayer: For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. In discussion of this codex it is discribed as perhaps the third oldest, but probably has better provenance than the other two. The main texts, Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, contradict each other over 3,000 times in the gospels alone, and they disagree with the 'Majority Text' in 13,000 places. The Textus Receptus is the text which the King James translators used. The KJV and the Codex Sinaiticus are products of different scribal traditions, which would explain some differences. Thanks, BAR, for discussing it as it relates to Sinaiticus onlyl. So no, the entire Codex Sinaiticus wasn't going to be burned. What about the recognized theory that John is the first gospel written? He is either Lord, liar, or lunatic. But the very reason why the Jewish religious left (or right) charged Jesus with blaasphemy and wanted Hm dead was because thy understood perfectly that Jesus was stating that He was equal with God the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. The simple reason for the disappearance of most manuscripts and why there are so many small fragments containing excerpts around is that they simply wore out! Video lectures from world-renowned experts. The Codex Sinaiticus Project is an international collaboration to reunite the entire manuscript in digital form and make it accessible to a global audience for the first time. A salvaged page of the Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery recovered in 1975. think ian mportant thought, before general literacy the spoken word was all one had and the idea of quoting a past remark was not part of the culture. For example, the resurrection narrative at the end of Mark (16:920) is absent from the Codex Sinaiticus. Constantine Tischendorf Turns Two Hundred in the September/October 2015 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Stanley E. Porter contends that Tischendorf should be considered a hero, not a thief. God works in, with and through fallen human beings, even when the errors/sins are most glaring. The problem here is would you rather have translations from the 10th centurey or the 4th century (as they became available) which are more removed from Catholic theological bias. Surely you know. Sign up to receive our email newsletter and never miss an update. I can answer the first question here in part from my own experience. Write a timeline of the key events in Act I of The Crucible. Amen ! (..) 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth (..) 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. It should be noted, for starters, that the four pages containing Mark 15:54b-Luke 1:56a were not produced by the same copyist who wrote the text on the surrounding pages. Did God speak directly to King James I and the various groups of translators assembled by him to produce the KJV for the English-speaking world??? This article doesnt reflect that at all. The King James Version of the Bible, the best-selling Bible of all time, was translated using the Textus Receptus. Photo: . The New Testament still stands alone as the best attested ancient document, period. Memorization and oral transmission was the primary means of education in first century Judea and Galilee among the Jews. Besides, thats what he tells us to do, ask. Conclusion. Kent says: Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world. I post here some thoughts that are directly contrary to these views and leave the . I think Id remember if I saw someone die, then rise to life, walk into my room and had lunch with me. After a cursory review, I count eight mistakes in this little article. Its the reason I continue to receive the articles! King James wanted a Bible without "notes" so as to bias readers. Clearly, as promised, Jehovah God has preserved his Holy Word. From the epistles we find the basic Christian beliefs: Christ is the Son of God and His resurrection etc. But for the Roman and Orthodox churches there would be no Latin or Greek scripture (on which all translations depend). Also there are several copies of the book of Matthew written in Hebrew. The KJV is a member of . 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18King James Version. It is the text type favored by the majority of modern textual critics and it is the basis for most modern (after 1900) Bible translations. At least to me this discussion thread is very interesting but I always skip the comments that bash another religion or denomination especially when they lack charity and sound scholarship. Better read Revelation 22:18 How else could it be that no copies of these manuscripts, not even on small fragments, have been discovered? Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof . Please respond if youre interested. I recommend The forging of Codex Siniaticus by Bill Cooper. When I have tried this really no one had remembered what had been said. The whole thing was written cerca 1832. And why would God hide the truth from his people for almost 2000 years before giving them the correct script of His Holy Word in the form of Codex Sinaiticus? Im trying to see if there has ever been any other number than 144,000 taken in the first biblical calling mentioned in Revelations. Silly, utter nonsense spawned by Satans minions. https://www.faraboveall.com/015_Textual/SPLIT%20TEXTS_JETS_current.pdf. When you allow biased comments like this: Perhaps one that shows there is far more unity and consistency in early Christian theology than disunity and change, as this article suggests? And no, Steve, the are thousands and thousands positives and no negatives at all. Little doubts often repeated become entrenched in the mind and eventually produce either a serious warning, or a platform for lies. Jesus also told them that I and My Father are one John 10:30 (read the rest of the narrative). That leaves only Matthew 28:19 to support the doctrine of the Trinity. However, he states: Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation. While BeDuhn disagrees with certain renderings of the New World Translation, he says that this version emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared. He calls it a remarkably good translation. If you deny God, then you are truly out of His will and are dead already. I had/have a New World translation in my home with all the incorporated mistranslations driven by theological ideology. Sinaiticus just happens to have them all together, along with other non-canonical works. It would be understandable to me if the KJV (published in 1611) had been the first English translation. But it would be fair for an annotated version of the Bible to include reference to Because of the delicate nature of the Codex Alexandrinus, it is rarely touched. The Markan Resurrection (Mark 16: 1-14) King James Version 1 "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 8 years of Archaeology Odyssey online, exploring the ancient roots of the Western world in a scholarly and entertaining way, The New Encyclopedia of Archaeological Excavations in the Holy Land. The massacres are implied in Revelation, so this was written by John shortly afterwards, before Jerusalem fell to the Roman army.. Dig into the illuminating world of the Bible with a BAS All-Access membership. In collaboration with Richard Bancroft, the Bishop of London, King James drew up a series of fifteen guidelines for . He was able to view 43 sheets, which was a third of the sheets that were to be burned. The Codex Alexandrinus' pages for Luke 22:42 to Luke 23:3, missing the passage 23:43-44 found in the King James bible. Unfortunately, the comments section that follow the article remind us that anti-Catholic bigotry and the ignorance from which it springs is still present in the minds and hearts of fundamentalist Christians. But for the Jews there would be no Hebrew scripture. Codex Sinaiticus I am just saying. Why dont you ask GOD for the understanding. That is why the copying of Bible manuscripts was such a big business. A million is a million, not one less than a million. William posts As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. That is called relativism, a scourge which has infected our culture. Characteristic Features . Just thinking,could the handwriting he analised? The person who wrote this is obviously undereducated read Mark 16:6!!! They knew this. Have you read John Burgons The Last Twelve Verses of Mark? He concluded that Siniaticus and Vaticanus were copied from a lectionary onto superb vellum in a rich scriptorium. Beza consulted Codex Bezae and Codex Claromontanus, two manuscripts from the 5th century, to compile his Textus Receptus edition in the 16th century. Thats pretty much identical to the late, great Chuck Smiths (founder of the Calvary Chapel movement) opinion. No one said they were quoteing Joe but passing on what they remembered. Therefore, ~130 pages were going to be burned. Some linguists have examined modern Bible translationsincluding the New World Translationfor examples of inaccuracy and bias. The title says it all, and the constant attack on Gods Holy word to us by many. Being in the ultimate best group (your current religion is the correct one of course) is a very powerful aphrodisiac. his words will never pass away ! In this context, it might be worth noting that "book of life" appears in Revelation exactly seven times (3:5, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12, 20:15, 21:27, 22:19) if the phrase in Revelation 22:19 is "book of life" rather than "tree of life". I dont know the history in exact of my great grand parents,how would we know ever about 400 generations ago. Westcott and Hort used Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus from the 4th century to compile their Critical Greek Text in the 19th century. In the 19th century, almost all Bible translations had a spurious Trinitarian addition at 1 John 5:7. How is it that these ancient manuscripts lay forgotten (Siniaticus) or ignored (Vaticanus) for 1500 years or more? Second, they use the Codex to show that several key parts of the New Testament showing the deity of Messiah are absent, and the Codex is more original. Through this codex, the R.V. From what I read, that gospel goes straight to the point that Jesus was the living Word of God, the only begotten son, and the light to the world. That is, assuming they existed.. Angry (orgistheis) is from codex D (Bezae) and some Old Latin manuscripts (so-called Western Text). Kent P. Jackson (Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center and Deseret Book, 2011), 61-74. I dont this boils down to Mark in KJV vs. Sinaiticus by any means.There are more books and there are more versions of Mark. MacArthur also appealed to "Three hundred and fifty-plus copies of the Syriac Bible.". . The catholic church is a Roman institution of anti-Christ idolatry. Here is your ticket to join us as we discover more and more about the biblical world and its people. Constantine Tischendorf was a false teacher, like one of the ones Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, warned about. This is the cause of the surprise of the British Library staff, who are acknowledged world class experts in handling such manuscripts. righteousness which is in heaven.[. Im aware of no historical evidence that anything was erased and replaced. 4. And now there are Christians in every country on earth just as Jesus commanded his disciples to do. - David W. DanielsFor more info on my bo. So, how does the Codex Sinaiticus refer to the Tetragrammaton within the Epistles of Paul? Verified answer. Thanks hope i will learn alot in this websiteBut i want to ask who translated The Amplified bible version? . The Codex Sinaiticus Project is an international collaboration to reunite the entire manuscript in digital form and make it accessible to a global audience for the first time. And again before the written word, the idea of memorizing what was said was not part of culture. Is it? WHAT IS HIS NAME? Visit the library for more information on the Textus Receptus. New Testament Text of the King James Bible," in . Craig Evans helped me to understand this seeming dilemma in his study the reliability of the New Testament Manuscripts. no one can be certain about what God said in the first place. One night some sheepherders were sitting around the campfire.. just cant hold a candle to And there were shepherds abiding in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks by night.. A discussion that's been overlooked by those that study Mormonism and the post-1881 Bibles such as the NIV, ESV, NASB, etc. Is it not because of these negatives that the world is so rotten as it is? And no less so today. and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and Forgive my ignorance, please. Vlog 219: Why not make a Bible out of just the "world's oldest Bible" Codex Sinaiticus? Every true child of GOD knows it and cannot live without it. This Bible History Daily feature was originally published on August 12, 2015. I have a number of interesting old Bibles in my library. Instead.the Gospels end with a message of hope, (The Epilogue at the end of John was probably added later by a follower of Peter.) The Vaticanus was placed in the Vatican Library at Rome by Pope Nicolas V. in "1448, its previous history being unknown. The earliest manuscripts are consistent. And they went on to another village. Most textual critics think Jesus words (in between) found in medieval Byzantine mss was a late addition to the text. How about logic? Additionally. I was fascinated by the contrast to Marks telling of the resurrection. According to James Bentley, Tischendorf was not troubled by the omission of the resurrection in Mark because he believed that Matthew was written first and that Marks gospel was an abridged version of Matthews gospel. The thing is, in Jerome's Vulgate, Mark 16:9-20 is included. My question about, neither the son is there Why not do an article as well featuring Whats included in Codex Sinaiticus which includes Jesus exalted position in Revelation, being referenced as the Son of God in many other parts of the gospels, the fact that Mark leaves with someone announcing Jesus resurrection, the fact that all 4 gospels and Pauls letters are there (all of which clearly spell out Jesus deity and identity as Risen Lord)and all of this from the 4th centuryand when compared to other manuscripts and documents from early church fathers, the Codex Sinaiticus only further confirms that early Christians viewed Jesus as God?
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